I suspect that history would go by the wayside if Ambassador Haley were a white man. Obviously, she's not.
There's nothing the multitudes of racists and misogynists today like better than grounds for saying that their scapegoating of people of color and/or women isn't about bias at all, but their targets' Imperfection.
If President Trump were hellbent on having Ambassador Haley as his running mate he could probably quash all that. But he's a racist and a misogynist and also utterly concerned with anyone but himself, and I very doubt he wants her for his VP candidate. While she remains his opponent he'll throw anything, everything, and nothing at her.
It might be tempting to think of Trump-Haley as an ethnic counterbalance for Biden-Harris. But lo! if Trump-Haley are not paired on presidential ballots President Trump will get pretty much the same tit-for-tat benefits as if they were!
1. MAGAs, Trumpies, and far-righties have a well-developed campaign of claiming that VP Harris is an illegitimate candidate both because of an appeal to a fictional birtherism, and because "she's a criminal." A "criminal the same way Secretary Clinton was: a criminal seldom accused of specific crimes, and those out of urban legend, who is a known criminal because they keep saying she's a criminal.
2. If Ambassador Haley is President Trump's running mate, SEE? The GOP isn't racist or misogynistic, but Unlike Dems they've nominated a competent and legal woman of color to run for VP!
3. If Ambassador Haley is not President Trump's running mate, SEE? The GOP could have cheaply proved that they're not racists or misogynists-- but Unlike Dems they have Standards.
Right. With the possible exception of Christie and Hutchinson (so far anyway) Trump’s challengers are like an abused spouse who turns on the cops they called when they realize their significant other is about to be arrested. Haley really isn’t any different.
When it comes to someone like DJT I think the GOP has to look at it as a bystander pulling them out of a burning building. They just do not want to ask too many questions of this savior. unfortunately this particular rescuer may have some history they should know.
I was referring to Haley as a rescuer. The very sad political fact I have learned is the active GOP voters I have interacted with responded as Sununu did. I have seen this
quite a few times where GOP voters clearly voted for a bad candidate.
DT doesn't even need research or facts to get his supporters cheering for him and booing for the opponent. He just makes up stuff and says "people are saying" and that is good enough for his followers. They don't fact check anyway. The gaslighting makes me sick! We can't even apply logic to the situation.
As a "kid" I chose a New Hampshire college to further my education. I love that state and truly enjoyed my years there. During those years, the Nixon era, New Hampshire's daily newspaper, The Union Leader, was owned by William Loeb, a guy who'd fit right in with the MAGA crowd. If you've never heard of him do a little research which will reveal what a sniveling, slimy character he was?!? Anyway, tonight we will see if "Live Free or Die" has any meaning, other than being the state's motto. I have my doubts as so many of my college classmates and fraternity brothers are full fledged MAGA's! Ironically, my other state where I have spent lots of time is South Carolina where my politics are in direct conflict with the majority there. Haley, like many politicians has baggage. She sat idly by while most of the prominent SC elected officials traveled to NH to pay homage to the 'orange idol'! Until now she has been a mealy mouthed Trumper. There is no way she will win tonight or ever. It is all on the D's to mount an aggressive, no holds barred campaign so we can all LIVE FREE!
Never forget! She worked for the leading fool candidate, she is 90% DT. But if she can pry the GOP out of his grip, perhaps she can be the Methadone his followers need while they are in withdrawal from the deathly cocaine they are high on.
This is what a country concerned about the rise of fascism, misogyny, racism and the collapse of democracy looks like:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/hundreds-thousands-demonstrate-against-right-wing-extremism-germany-2024-01-21/
The U.S. is still in the nervous "It can't happen here" stage, maybe until it does.
And if it does, Nikki Haley will be there saying, "See? it's not so bad."
In France, too. They've had some incredible protests.
I suspect that history would go by the wayside if Ambassador Haley were a white man. Obviously, she's not.
There's nothing the multitudes of racists and misogynists today like better than grounds for saying that their scapegoating of people of color and/or women isn't about bias at all, but their targets' Imperfection.
If President Trump were hellbent on having Ambassador Haley as his running mate he could probably quash all that. But he's a racist and a misogynist and also utterly concerned with anyone but himself, and I very doubt he wants her for his VP candidate. While she remains his opponent he'll throw anything, everything, and nothing at her.
It might be tempting to think of Trump-Haley as an ethnic counterbalance for Biden-Harris. But lo! if Trump-Haley are not paired on presidential ballots President Trump will get pretty much the same tit-for-tat benefits as if they were!
1. MAGAs, Trumpies, and far-righties have a well-developed campaign of claiming that VP Harris is an illegitimate candidate both because of an appeal to a fictional birtherism, and because "she's a criminal." A "criminal the same way Secretary Clinton was: a criminal seldom accused of specific crimes, and those out of urban legend, who is a known criminal because they keep saying she's a criminal.
2. If Ambassador Haley is President Trump's running mate, SEE? The GOP isn't racist or misogynistic, but Unlike Dems they've nominated a competent and legal woman of color to run for VP!
3. If Ambassador Haley is not President Trump's running mate, SEE? The GOP could have cheaply proved that they're not racists or misogynists-- but Unlike Dems they have Standards.
It's all a great weariness.
Everything you said. All of it.
I can’t see it. He’s already sure he’ll win the nomination and even if he didn’t, she has promised to pardon him. 🤮
And if he did call her out, his minions would cheer.
Right. With the possible exception of Christie and Hutchinson (so far anyway) Trump’s challengers are like an abused spouse who turns on the cops they called when they realize their significant other is about to be arrested. Haley really isn’t any different.
When it comes to someone like DJT I think the GOP has to look at it as a bystander pulling them out of a burning building. They just do not want to ask too many questions of this savior. unfortunately this particular rescuer may have some history they should know.
I’m not even sure it would matter to a significant corps of them.
I was referring to Haley as a rescuer. The very sad political fact I have learned is the active GOP voters I have interacted with responded as Sununu did. I have seen this
quite a few times where GOP voters clearly voted for a bad candidate.
DT doesn't even need research or facts to get his supporters cheering for him and booing for the opponent. He just makes up stuff and says "people are saying" and that is good enough for his followers. They don't fact check anyway. The gaslighting makes me sick! We can't even apply logic to the situation.
True that. It makes it hard to have a discussion about something when you're talking to an absurdist.
As a "kid" I chose a New Hampshire college to further my education. I love that state and truly enjoyed my years there. During those years, the Nixon era, New Hampshire's daily newspaper, The Union Leader, was owned by William Loeb, a guy who'd fit right in with the MAGA crowd. If you've never heard of him do a little research which will reveal what a sniveling, slimy character he was?!? Anyway, tonight we will see if "Live Free or Die" has any meaning, other than being the state's motto. I have my doubts as so many of my college classmates and fraternity brothers are full fledged MAGA's! Ironically, my other state where I have spent lots of time is South Carolina where my politics are in direct conflict with the majority there. Haley, like many politicians has baggage. She sat idly by while most of the prominent SC elected officials traveled to NH to pay homage to the 'orange idol'! Until now she has been a mealy mouthed Trumper. There is no way she will win tonight or ever. It is all on the D's to mount an aggressive, no holds barred campaign so we can all LIVE FREE!
Live free or die is such a maleable slogan. I think I'd have run that through the committee one more time.
It grates on me just like "don't tread on me"!
Maga has already made it clear that they don’t want her
Never forget! She worked for the leading fool candidate, she is 90% DT. But if she can pry the GOP out of his grip, perhaps she can be the Methadone his followers need while they are in withdrawal from the deathly cocaine they are high on.