Watergate looms large in my memory bank. We had just moved to Miami after my dad retired from the State Dept, but really, the CIA. He spent the summer glued to the TV and when all was said and done, my mother told him to go find something to do with himself, because he was driving her crazy being home. The memory ends with a friend of mine sitting in her bedroom with the NIXON RESIGNS headline. We two scared junior high schoolers that didn't really understand what was happening but knew it was bad. It scared me a little more because of my father's abrupt retirement. In later years, I learned that while in India, my brother was shipping drugs stateside. That compromised my father's CIA gig. Watergate was child's play compared to today's world. And as an adult, I'm apprehensive and borderline terrified. Drugs are helping.
I’m so sorry. I was your age and glued to the television, as well. I remember feeling happy that he’d resigned as he was so very corrupt. But I was a kid and knew nothing.
I would appreciate a Deep Throat stashed in the Defense Department. Heseth is NOTto be trusted. But then we would also have to find a replacement for the other end of the equation: The Washington Post.
No need for a deep.throat in the Department of War. Simple 2 minute searches all one needs if interested. Here is a book introduced by Chris Hedges, banned by .Main Stream Media :
The Trillion Dollar War Machine (w/ William D. Hartung) | The Chris Hedges Report
There is after all the finessed FBI information from and about the woman who in 2019 accused both Trump and Epstein of sexually assaulting her as a minor. That would be a swell thing to leak about.
But then, if testimony from girl and women victims of the Epstein enterprise was treated as evidence, the way law courts have been using testimony forever, all of this hugger-mugger would likely be unnecessary.
I don’t think anyone leaking information would be enough to take Trump down. Just like with Nixon, we need to convince the Republicans in Congress, ESPECIALLY the Senators who will have to vote to remove him in an impeachment trial, where we need 67 votes for it to pass, that it is political suicide to not support him.
Hopefully that will happen sooner rather than later.
Well, that's a good point I chose to ignore. The difference from then and now is that Republicans took the Constitution seriously. Now, we have clowns like Mike Johnson et al.
Amidst all the noise those of us who have studied history know our government is quite good at misleading the public. Heroic figures like Felt and Ellsberg (Pentagon papers) by their actions exposed the lawlessness and evil that existed then as it does now! The Epstein scandal is likely deeper and broader than we can imagine. The saying “follow the money” is so apropos here! IF the truth prevails even the biggest cynics and skeptics will be shocked?!? And you can take that to the bank, pun intended.🏦
It's really one of those "too big to fail" moments -- again. I agree that this scandal is deep and wide. I've read statements that if all was revealed, it would crash the government. IMO -- that's precisely the reason to expose all of it -- it's the only way to get rid of the rot. So many things have occurred over the years that point to the depth of the rot. When eight US Senators sat with Putin's flunkies in Moscow on July 4th and those photos were in the papers -- that was a signal that the rot was deep as no actual patriot would have allowed themselves to be photographed on that day in Moscow. When Trump did his conversation with Putin in Helsinki and there were no notes, no US translator involved and then Trump took the side of Putin against our own intelligence agencies -- that was another sign yet nothing happened. Fortunately in Germany when all was lost, Hitler and his henchmen killed themselves so we only had to prosecute a few of the scum from that regime. The only way for us to rid ourselves of the scum in our government is to push back, use the law, and voting to cleanse the government of the disease that has engulfed it. And, yes, it's always about the money.
I agree. No matter the consequences, the heartache, the come-to-Jesus moments, there's rot in our core and we cannot keep doing things the way we've been doing them. Expunge it. All of it.
Patel and Bondi and Noem are not old enough to remember Watergate. Trump is, but it's questionable whether he remembers. In any case, they think/hope they have purged the DOJ of anyone who's disloyal to Trump.
They just fired 10 agents who were on the classified documents case. I wonder what they might have to say. Anonymously, of course.
Remember that Nixon’s resignation was in August of the second year of his second term, a point in time which is fast approaching when overlaid to trumps terms of office. Wondering if they’re sweating this in the White House about now.
To me we seemed to be making a bonfire out of Nixon seeking catharsis when the problem was systemic even then. We needed to own our shit. Who did we think the mess reflected on? Watergate and the expose and the resignation should have made us sad and determined. This was us. We needed a rebirth when the reaction to desegregation was getting started and Republicans were learning how to use it to take over. Utter failure. We were too busy becoming the most compulsive consumers the world has ever seen.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump declared he was the real Deep Throat.
There’s got to be a massive amount of common knowledge when people like Bill Gates, Larry Summers and others sprinkle the news with quasi-admissions to try to get ahead of things and soften the blow. Epstein was a master at creating leverage/protection for himself and Maxwell has inherited some of it but it’s hard to believe that the damn won’t break at some point. It’s ironic that breaking a story like this open would normally be right up the alley of sleaze merchants like the Murdochs. Based on what I’ve seen they’ve been a lot harder on the royals when it comes to Epstein than they’ve been on the MAGAS. What’s been going on in Britain could very well crack this open.
Mark Felt knew how dangerous it was to inform. That's why he never admitted it was him. Too much opportunity for "accidents". People working for Epstein in the Virgin Islands, New York, and Arizona saw and heard a lot and have receipts. They are too scared to come forward. They have seen what these guys are capable of. There is even more capability to electronically follow people now. It's not about losing your career. These guys are worse than the mob. I'm sure families have been threatened. They saw Virginia Giuffre and Jeffrey Epstein "commit suicide". It can happen to them...
I'm old enough too. My mom was obsessed (maybe that's too strong a word) with the investigation & hearings. I remember her telling me that the only time she voted Republican in her life was for Nixon in '72 and she never stopped regretting it. She was so happy to see him get on that helicopter and leave the White House. If she were alive to see this shit show…she'd agree that we need another Mark Felt and I do too.
I applaud your mother. My own went to her grave believing Nixon was framed. Even before social media and the sewer that is, say, Facebook, she managed to find and embrace conspiracy theories. Go figure.
I’m sorry. Snake oil salesmen will always find buyers. I just wish… Oh, fuck it. This is a day to either take a walk in the beautiful sunshine, or if one can't, allow a couple of hours of under the covers in the self-care of a nap.
Watergate looms large in my memory bank. We had just moved to Miami after my dad retired from the State Dept, but really, the CIA. He spent the summer glued to the TV and when all was said and done, my mother told him to go find something to do with himself, because he was driving her crazy being home. The memory ends with a friend of mine sitting in her bedroom with the NIXON RESIGNS headline. We two scared junior high schoolers that didn't really understand what was happening but knew it was bad. It scared me a little more because of my father's abrupt retirement. In later years, I learned that while in India, my brother was shipping drugs stateside. That compromised my father's CIA gig. Watergate was child's play compared to today's world. And as an adult, I'm apprehensive and borderline terrified. Drugs are helping.
I’m so sorry. I was your age and glued to the television, as well. I remember feeling happy that he’d resigned as he was so very corrupt. But I was a kid and knew nothing.
To your good health.
Watergate was a pimple on an elephant's ass compared to this!
I would appreciate a Deep Throat stashed in the Defense Department. Heseth is NOTto be trusted. But then we would also have to find a replacement for the other end of the equation: The Washington Post.
*Hegseth*
No need for a deep.throat in the Department of War. Simple 2 minute searches all one needs if interested. Here is a book introduced by Chris Hedges, banned by .Main Stream Media :
The Trillion Dollar War Machine (w/ William D. Hartung) | The Chris Hedges Report
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4mxti7sPPD0&t=256s&pp=ugUEEgJlbg%3D%3D
Thank you.
There is after all the finessed FBI information from and about the woman who in 2019 accused both Trump and Epstein of sexually assaulting her as a minor. That would be a swell thing to leak about.
But then, if testimony from girl and women victims of the Epstein enterprise was treated as evidence, the way law courts have been using testimony forever, all of this hugger-mugger would likely be unnecessary.
Indeed. When things are this corrupt, we need people who will make end-runs.
I don’t think anyone leaking information would be enough to take Trump down. Just like with Nixon, we need to convince the Republicans in Congress, ESPECIALLY the Senators who will have to vote to remove him in an impeachment trial, where we need 67 votes for it to pass, that it is political suicide to not support him.
Hopefully that will happen sooner rather than later.
Well, that's a good point I chose to ignore. The difference from then and now is that Republicans took the Constitution seriously. Now, we have clowns like Mike Johnson et al.
Good people are forced to search their ethics and morality at times. I think he did the right thing.
Amidst all the noise those of us who have studied history know our government is quite good at misleading the public. Heroic figures like Felt and Ellsberg (Pentagon papers) by their actions exposed the lawlessness and evil that existed then as it does now! The Epstein scandal is likely deeper and broader than we can imagine. The saying “follow the money” is so apropos here! IF the truth prevails even the biggest cynics and skeptics will be shocked?!? And you can take that to the bank, pun intended.🏦
It always has been following the money, hasn't it? So damn predictable.
It's really one of those "too big to fail" moments -- again. I agree that this scandal is deep and wide. I've read statements that if all was revealed, it would crash the government. IMO -- that's precisely the reason to expose all of it -- it's the only way to get rid of the rot. So many things have occurred over the years that point to the depth of the rot. When eight US Senators sat with Putin's flunkies in Moscow on July 4th and those photos were in the papers -- that was a signal that the rot was deep as no actual patriot would have allowed themselves to be photographed on that day in Moscow. When Trump did his conversation with Putin in Helsinki and there were no notes, no US translator involved and then Trump took the side of Putin against our own intelligence agencies -- that was another sign yet nothing happened. Fortunately in Germany when all was lost, Hitler and his henchmen killed themselves so we only had to prosecute a few of the scum from that regime. The only way for us to rid ourselves of the scum in our government is to push back, use the law, and voting to cleanse the government of the disease that has engulfed it. And, yes, it's always about the money.
I agree. No matter the consequences, the heartache, the come-to-Jesus moments, there's rot in our core and we cannot keep doing things the way we've been doing them. Expunge it. All of it.
Patel and Bondi and Noem are not old enough to remember Watergate. Trump is, but it's questionable whether he remembers. In any case, they think/hope they have purged the DOJ of anyone who's disloyal to Trump.
They just fired 10 agents who were on the classified documents case. I wonder what they might have to say. Anonymously, of course.
There's hope....
Remember that Nixon’s resignation was in August of the second year of his second term, a point in time which is fast approaching when overlaid to trumps terms of office. Wondering if they’re sweating this in the White House about now.
I wonder if they have that same sense of history. I hope they do and I hope they're sweating.
To me we seemed to be making a bonfire out of Nixon seeking catharsis when the problem was systemic even then. We needed to own our shit. Who did we think the mess reflected on? Watergate and the expose and the resignation should have made us sad and determined. This was us. We needed a rebirth when the reaction to desegregation was getting started and Republicans were learning how to use it to take over. Utter failure. We were too busy becoming the most compulsive consumers the world has ever seen.
And I'd like to argue about some of this, but nope.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump declared he was the real Deep Throat.
There’s got to be a massive amount of common knowledge when people like Bill Gates, Larry Summers and others sprinkle the news with quasi-admissions to try to get ahead of things and soften the blow. Epstein was a master at creating leverage/protection for himself and Maxwell has inherited some of it but it’s hard to believe that the damn won’t break at some point. It’s ironic that breaking a story like this open would normally be right up the alley of sleaze merchants like the Murdochs. Based on what I’ve seen they’ve been a lot harder on the royals when it comes to Epstein than they’ve been on the MAGAS. What’s been going on in Britain could very well crack this open.
I really hope that's the case. I really, really do.
Mark Felt knew how dangerous it was to inform. That's why he never admitted it was him. Too much opportunity for "accidents". People working for Epstein in the Virgin Islands, New York, and Arizona saw and heard a lot and have receipts. They are too scared to come forward. They have seen what these guys are capable of. There is even more capability to electronically follow people now. It's not about losing your career. These guys are worse than the mob. I'm sure families have been threatened. They saw Virginia Giuffre and Jeffrey Epstein "commit suicide". It can happen to them...
We need one person who is more dedicated to honor and truth than survival. I know that's a lot. But goddammit.
I'm old enough too. My mom was obsessed (maybe that's too strong a word) with the investigation & hearings. I remember her telling me that the only time she voted Republican in her life was for Nixon in '72 and she never stopped regretting it. She was so happy to see him get on that helicopter and leave the White House. If she were alive to see this shit show…she'd agree that we need another Mark Felt and I do too.
I applaud your mother. My own went to her grave believing Nixon was framed. Even before social media and the sewer that is, say, Facebook, she managed to find and embrace conspiracy theories. Go figure.
I’m sorry. Snake oil salesmen will always find buyers. I just wish… Oh, fuck it. This is a day to either take a walk in the beautiful sunshine, or if one can't, allow a couple of hours of under the covers in the self-care of a nap.