Reagan seeded the ground for the current day white supremacy movement with his Neshoba County Fair state’s rights speech, back when republicans thought they could control the racist Kraken until Trump came along and cut the leash. The two of them can take turns at the bottom of the list.
It would be interesting to see the 20 category scoresheets.
I can't forgive Truman for the massive fire bombing and atomic bombing of whole cities in Japan, killing massive numbers of innocent civilians - women, children, elderly - everyone. Have you seen, "The Fog of War"? McNamara compares the cities destroyed to US cities and it's shocking. He says if we had lost the war in the end, we surely would have been tried for war crimes.
Choosing a favorite is tough though I lean toward Lincoln. It's interesting to read the rankings. I suppose DT dismisses it as part of a liberal smear campaign. I like seeing the reasoning for his low rank in print!
Absolutely valid criticism of Truman, and yes, I've seen the "Fog of War," and admit that some of my love for Truman is based on geography. Lincoln usually ranks No. 1, but I found it interesting that Obama was ranked where he was (I'd have ranked him higher) based in part on his moral authority.
Agree. I'd rank Obama higher than Reagan (trickledown Reaganomics) for sure. I'm no historian so I can't get very deep on comparing a lot of them though.
OMG, Reagan wasn't just evil, but all that shoddy faux-genial soft-shoe finessing of evil perspectives, framing, and certainties paved the ways for people to build more and more destructive systems with little effective pushback.
Many moons ago I attended a conference. When I realized I was about 25 miles from Truman's birthplace - I called the local cab (no Uber) company and got a jolly fellow to drive me out there. I paid for him and for me to take a tour. I have always been SO GLAD that I did. I learned a lot. Bought books, and kept learning. There is something refreshing about a leader who is not afraid to say "the buck stops here."
But but....estimates were his fire bombings alone killed over 100,000 Japanese civilians and left another million people homeless. It is noted as the single most destructive bombing raid in human history. Another couple hundred thousand people were killed by our nuclear weapons. The buck stops at him on that - hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians killed, over a million left starving and homeless. I'd submit that was our country's lowest moment. I say that as the granddaughter of a Marine severely injured on Iwo Jima and SIL of a wonderful woman whose parents were put in internment camps with their families as young children.
OK. It is a bad argument to make -- in the face of all those innocents killed by those bombs -- that those bombs may have shortened the war and saved, well, we'll never know. I'm not suggesting you make him your favorite, and I acknowledged that his decision needs to be studied over and over -- as should his decision to nationalize the steel industry. He remains my favorite, and among my favorite books about him are "Truman," "Man of the People," and "Mr. Citizen" to be helpful. I say that as a Missourian. Roosevelt's Executive Order 9066 would have been an excellent thing for Truman to reverse.
Reagan seeded the ground for the current day white supremacy movement with his Neshoba County Fair state’s rights speech, back when republicans thought they could control the racist Kraken until Trump came along and cut the leash. The two of them can take turns at the bottom of the list.
It would be interesting to see the 20 category scoresheets.
"TFG": ha, ha, ha! They also put TOFG: Reagan way too high. Although unlucky 13 does have a certain swing to it.
I’m from Chicago, so I claim the same kinship of place as do you. Mr. Obama.
Being my favorite does not rely on someone’s pole but on how he made me feel like I was finally an American.
Finally an America. I love you, sir.
I can't forgive Truman for the massive fire bombing and atomic bombing of whole cities in Japan, killing massive numbers of innocent civilians - women, children, elderly - everyone. Have you seen, "The Fog of War"? McNamara compares the cities destroyed to US cities and it's shocking. He says if we had lost the war in the end, we surely would have been tried for war crimes.
Choosing a favorite is tough though I lean toward Lincoln. It's interesting to read the rankings. I suppose DT dismisses it as part of a liberal smear campaign. I like seeing the reasoning for his low rank in print!
Absolutely valid criticism of Truman, and yes, I've seen the "Fog of War," and admit that some of my love for Truman is based on geography. Lincoln usually ranks No. 1, but I found it interesting that Obama was ranked where he was (I'd have ranked him higher) based in part on his moral authority.
Agree. I'd rank Obama higher than Reagan (trickledown Reaganomics) for sure. I'm no historian so I can't get very deep on comparing a lot of them though.
OMG, Reagan wasn't just evil, but all that shoddy faux-genial soft-shoe finessing of evil perspectives, framing, and certainties paved the ways for people to build more and more destructive systems with little effective pushback.
There's nothing quite like decent people trying to do honest work, blinded though they may be by their circumstances.
Many moons ago I attended a conference. When I realized I was about 25 miles from Truman's birthplace - I called the local cab (no Uber) company and got a jolly fellow to drive me out there. I paid for him and for me to take a tour. I have always been SO GLAD that I did. I learned a lot. Bought books, and kept learning. There is something refreshing about a leader who is not afraid to say "the buck stops here."
He said that over and over. When he left office, he and Bess took a cross-country tour around, and he wanted to do that as a private citizen.
But but....estimates were his fire bombings alone killed over 100,000 Japanese civilians and left another million people homeless. It is noted as the single most destructive bombing raid in human history. Another couple hundred thousand people were killed by our nuclear weapons. The buck stops at him on that - hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians killed, over a million left starving and homeless. I'd submit that was our country's lowest moment. I say that as the granddaughter of a Marine severely injured on Iwo Jima and SIL of a wonderful woman whose parents were put in internment camps with their families as young children.
OK. It is a bad argument to make -- in the face of all those innocents killed by those bombs -- that those bombs may have shortened the war and saved, well, we'll never know. I'm not suggesting you make him your favorite, and I acknowledged that his decision needs to be studied over and over -- as should his decision to nationalize the steel industry. He remains my favorite, and among my favorite books about him are "Truman," "Man of the People," and "Mr. Citizen" to be helpful. I say that as a Missourian. Roosevelt's Executive Order 9066 would have been an excellent thing for Truman to reverse.